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Oooh, fun religion meme [Jul. 30th, 2006|12:39 pm]
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Because it's Sunday, and I can't resist...

Jesus is:
Just this guy, you know?

My view of Christians is:
People who, for 2000+ years, have been trying to force their way of thinking on the world. Usually by killing those who refuse to conform.

Christianity and Politics should blend Yes/No
Absolutely not.

Can you be a Christian and against Pres. Bush's Leadership Yes/No
I have no idea, since I am not Christian.

Can you be considered a "Liberal" and a Christian Yes/No
Again, no idea. I do know that so-called Liberals tend not to lean on their Christianity as much as so-called Conservatives. And, from what I've seen, non-Christians seem to be more tolerant of other people's beliefs than Christians...which is rather ironic, but there it is.
That being said, one of our most "Liberal" (in terms of the domestic issues of his time, such as equal rights, social programs, the Great Society, women's liberation, etc.) Presidents was LBJ, and he was from Texas and probably considered himself to be very Christian.

Politics should be talked about from the pulpit Yes/No
I would say no, but only because in my mind Politics = State, and Pulpit = Church. And, like oil and water, these two should not be mixed. Ever. At all.

Christianity deals with what main political issues:_____________
More than it should. See above.

You can be a Christian and against the war Yes/No
Again, no idea. Still, seems to me that most wars are started because people don't behave the way the Christians seem to think they should.

The church has lost it's [sic] focus of "people" and deals more with "politics" Yes/No
I think that this sentence is more accurately worded: Politics has lost its focus of "people" and deals more with "church."

Homosexuality is:____________________
What does this question have to do with anything? I mean, I see why it's included, and what it's looking for as a response...but really, can we get over it?
Oh, very well...Homosexuality is: A fact of life. Just like Christianity is. You may not agree with it, but it exists and you need to learn to deal with it.

Is it OK to fly an American Flag and pray for victory in the war in Iraq at church Yes/No
I don't think so. For one thing, what is "victory in the war"? Decimation of a race of people? Destroying a nation so we can keep driving our ridiculously huge automobiles? At what cost? I don't think there is such a thing as "victory" in this situation. All there is is "cutting the losses."

Would you consider America to be a "Christian Nation" Yes/No
Sadly, yes. Just look at our money. Anything that mentions "god" in such a way to be so ubiquitious and mundane that it's barely noticed? Dead giveaway, innit?
I am not Christian. I do feel as though I am being disenfranchised in this country.

It is important to God that we are at war with Iraq?
Which one?

And yeah, I fully expect to "offend" some people with this. Oh, well. I'm just calling it the way I, personally, see it.

[User Picture]From: feigenbaum_04
2006-07-30 05:38 pm (UTC)
#4? I would argue that if you were a TRUE Christian, you should be absolutely opposed to this lying, thieving, murdering, hypocritical asshole.

When is it okay to pretty much break 99% of the "Ten Commandments" and still have people follow you around like lapdogs, claiming to be Christian?

People seriously disgust me.
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[User Picture]From: tsgeisel
2006-07-30 05:48 pm (UTC)
What's funny is that I can't imagine anyone on my friends list being offended by any of my answers.

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[User Picture]From: amandahuginkiss
2006-07-30 06:04 pm (UTC)
I agree with all of your answers (surprise, surprise) but I'd add something to #4 and #8 (Christians against Bush and the war)...

Based on my understanding of Christian values and beliefs, they should be appalled by this president and his war. I mean, they're against kill of any sort (e.g.: the death penalty and abortion). How could they possibly condone the senseless murder of thousands of innocent people. And even if they're not so innocent, what makes them different from that mass murderer they're trying to save in prison?

UGH. The hypocrisy of organized religion....
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[User Picture]From: maestrateresa
2006-07-30 06:43 pm (UTC)
I would argue that not all christians and not all organized religions (christian or otherwise) are in lockstep. In fact, not all members of any given sect are in lockstep.

While the church (and I use that in the meta sense, rather than the specific) has certainly been responsible for some pretty horrific things, that same meta church (just different members thereof) have also been responsible for amazing acts of social justice, including dying to protect others and work for the physical betterment of others. (I decline to discuss the "moral" betterment, as that is entirely a matter of perspective.)

Memebers of any group are human, with all that means, for both good and ill. I have certainly encountered members of *any* given group who are incredibly intolerant of anyone who is not a member of their particular group.

Prejucide and giant chips-on-the-shoulder are not limited to any one group. Here I include religious groups: christians, muslims, atheiests, pagans; as well as pretty much any other group dividing line you can think of: racial, social, sexual orientation.

It's easy to point out the bad elements, and not always so easy to find the good ones: It just depends where your particular prejudices lie. And we all have them, no matter how much we might try to believe that we are perfectly fair....
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[User Picture]From: amandahuginkiss
2006-07-30 07:26 pm (UTC)
My comment was in reference to that fact that - to my knowledge, most? all? organized religions are supposed to value life. Yet throughout history, humankind has murdered in the name of whatever god they believe in, while continuing to assert that life is precious. To me, this is hypocrisy.

As this survey was speaking to Christianity in particular, the bulk of my comments were directed towards that.

I am aware that religious groups aren't the only ones who show intolerance or kill in the name of their beliefs; however, as far as I can tell, this survey was pretty specific to Christianity.
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[User Picture]From: talonvaki
2006-07-30 09:47 pm (UTC)
Hypocrisy. That's the word I was trying to think of.

And yes, it does seem to be a Christian-centric meme. Not to mention USA-centric (notice I do not say "American" as that includes some furrin countries.
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[User Picture]From: maestrateresa
2006-07-31 07:04 am (UTC)
Certainly! No argument there (in fact, I've always been amused by the fact that many right wing, so-called christian groups support the death penalty while arguing against abortion. All in what one considers to be human, I guess... :)

I think that what I tagged onto specifically was the comment re: organized religions. I was really just pointing out that there are hypocrites, hypocrites everywhere, and that they aren't the unique and exclusive purview of organized religion. I've also found a lot of very sincere and consistent people who are devout members of [generic] organized religious sects.

Religion often seems to get a bad rap because of the fools who verbally associate themselves with it while completely ignoring the actual core teachings of their major religous figure.

And, yeah, the survey seems to be very christian-centric, and conservative christian-centric, at that.
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[User Picture]From: amandahuginkiss
2006-07-31 05:28 pm (UTC)
Well then, let's agree to agree! :)
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From: kinkstarr
2006-07-30 06:42 pm (UTC)
I agree with you.

& I think that you can be Christian and completely disagree with Bush's leadership. For one killing isn't exactly encouraged in the bible, for two I'd hate it if someone used my religion to somehow absolve his sins and play to the masses.

Having said that I'm not a Christian, and logic in theory isn't always logical in reality :\
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[User Picture]From: jumbach
2006-07-30 08:59 pm (UTC)
Doesn't offend me at all. I posted it HOPING people would pick it up and run with it. (I kind of expected you would, and your answers are pretty much in line with would I thought they'd be.)
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[User Picture]From: talonvaki
2006-07-30 09:48 pm (UTC)
Heh. Glad I didn't disappoint. And yours were what I expected, as well. I couldn't resist doing it because they are so different, if that makes sense.
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[User Picture]From: petardier
2006-08-01 03:52 am (UTC)
As for what it means to pray for victory in war, see Mark Twain's War Prayer.

There's many sites with a copy. Here's one:


IMHO, one of Twain's best.
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